Why a "survey"?
There are a lot of popular beliefs and stereotypes surrounding our field of activity, which I don't blame you for, as most sites are not exactly known for their credibility/effectiveness, let's face it. So there are many who have been burned and have some tough questions to ask - which is fine, in fact! In this blog post we present a real enquiry we received, along with the answer. It's also good to have this post because most of you must have asked similar questions, even if not as pointedly, so it's time to come clean.
My answer:
Hi, thank you for your patience. I have tried to break down your question and then post the answers under the relevant section. Not sure if you were expecting these answers, but my aim is not to say what people want to hear, but what I think with a high degree of certainty based on my own experience.
Gábor, the interviewer:
Hi!My name is Gábor.I joined the site a while ago, I don't really post tips except for one or two, because I don't have time to pick up the phone and stop for a minute.My story (experience) and my concern are related to this.
My answer:
Unfortunately, if you don't have time to pick up the phone for the one minute it takes to place the bet, there's no point in placing it, so I'm not selling a bargain. Responding within a reasonable time is a prerequisite. I'm not saying you can miss bets, if you're driving or in a similar situation you obviously won't be able to bet straight away, but there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is if you miss a lot of bets, then you're not going to be profitable as a follower.
Gábor, the interviewer:
But before I get into that, I'll just explain why I think that asking for money in advance for tipping is not the most trustworthy thing to do, at least for me, who has been burned more than once.So I would do what I think is better to gain trust than by posting statistics and photos from who knows where.
My answer:
I'll stop here for a moment. The photos cover our own receptions. I don't think there is much need to prove this, as many bets are live, with the current odds tipped, and there would simply not be time to edit them.Obviously the question is that the photos may have been manipulated, but there is no physical chance/possibility of that. You can be sure of that. And you can't get any more certain than that the operators of the site in question are not just talking about an investment opportunity, but are uniquely betting on it, not just posting tips, even in text messages, but bets they have made themselves.
Gábor, the interviewer:
This, unless I am sitting next to someone who is showing me their account on their phone, means nothing, is evidence of nothing, does not generate any trust.
My answer:
If you want to meet me in person, I'd be happy to show you. 🙂 Don't let that stop you. By the way, I sense some bias here too, obviously I understand your distrust, you've burned yourself with other sites, hence you're looking for a grip on that site as a kind of preventive reflex. Think about the process, and think about whether it could be credibly and unobtrusively distorted/cheated, and if it could, how long it would take:
1) As a picture, followers receive our bets, where you can see that we are making them.
2) The same, in the same order as posted, are included in the online tables that are automatically updated on the website.
3) We take photos not only after the catch, but also after the evaluation.
4) At certain intervals, we take a video screenshot and slowly scroll back half of our bets, which is also in line with the above three.
5) But if that's not enough, I'll even do something like videoing my laptop with my phone - and in the future I may even do this live - where I can clearly identify that I'm in my account, with all bets matching the stats.
Unless someone is a professional programmer who can copy the Tippmix interface, create two versions of every bet as a picture like a professional graphic designer, send it live in seconds and not make a single mistake while putting his face to everything..
I hope you feel that this would be impractical. So I understand your distrust, but if you cannot see on so much evidence that we do not have fraud and you keep looking for the possibility of where the fraud is, then I can suggest that you are not mentally prepared to follow us, unfortunately your previous bad experiences do not allow you to do so.
Gábor, the interviewer:
What I would do, once most tipsters advertise themselves as being different etc, and as you talk about the costs in one of your videos (because it is already paid for, and if it doesn't come back, you didn't bet on it, and if it doesn't come back you starve), is to pay the monthly fee in arrears.If you don't pay, you'd obviously be thrown out.You'd lose a month at most, but I don't think that would be true either, because the person you made a profit for would be happy to pay to stay.
My answer:
Well, Gábor, your pessimism towards tipsters is just as true for me, only in the opposite direction. I have been sharing content for several hours a day in several groups for 8 years, basically following your model. I made a lot of money for a lot of people and you know what I got in return? - Nothing. I also worked at tipster sites, and there I was greedy and the same greedy behaviour. I'm certainly not making a fool of myself anymore. Most people are happy to have you working for them, sharing resources, other assets, knowledge, experience at your own expense, but the return is usually not there.
Obviously there are exceptions, but no, so I don't expose myself to that. Anyone who subscribes to us, signs up for our commitment, if they follow the groups as intended for 60 days and do not make a financial profit, I will refund their subscription.
Again, if this actual guarantee and legal commitment is not enough for someone, then it is not worth following us. I could pull the stars out of the sky and it would not be enough.
Gábor, the interviewer:
(Now let's leave the months that are unprofitable, because according to your statement and the photo, there was not much of it)Because if the site is unprofitable, it is not enough that you lose the money you invested, but also the monthly fee paid to you.For me, for example, this would be a great indicator to try you.
My answer:
A: Well Gábor, that's what the capital building project is all about, no kidding:) . we'll make 100 or 125 000 HUF before your eyes, first I promoted it as 100, then I posted 125, so I'll stick with the latter. Those bets that are in the capital builder are exactly from the paid service bank. The opportunity to test is given, now you are asking me to do something that is also possible and we are the only ones in the country who have this kind of initiative. Sure, there are "free tips" elsewhere , but you see, this just happens to be more. Here, a financial target is set and achieved, in a way that the follower can be sure that it is not just about theoretical numbers, but about achievable, practical results. - Because we are also taking it on board, as I have explained above.
Gábor, the interviewer:
Because a monthly fee of 30 rupees, plus the minimum of 4000 tips to at least bring the monthly fee plus some change, is a big loss, especially if you miss two important tips.
My answer:
A: Obviously, if you do not have sufficient capital, you will not be able to follow our service. But I always ask this of people, if someone wants to use it with low capital, I always discourage them from subscribing. So we cannot be held accountable for this either, we are not trying to convince the poorest with an offer that is beyond their means. On the contrary: we only serve those who have a minimum disposable income that they would invest, so yes, we are also selective in our customers. And our clients receive many times the 30e Ft in return, so it is a win-win situation.
One or two picks won't make any difference in the long run, as you won't just be left out of the winners. The problem is if you can't place a significant proportion of your bets, then as I wrote at the beginning of this letter, I also don't recommend subscribing.
Gábor, the interviewer:
And then there's my experience that if I missed a live tip (which the live ones here also make me worry about), the tipster's stats say it was a win, or the odds were better, and it was a win for him, and a loss for me.And it can be developed to such perfection that you (the bettor) always feel guilty, slow, inattentive, etc.
My answer:
The reason why we bet relatively a lot live is because it gives us the lowest volatility + our accounts are not limited after a few hundred thousand HUF profit. In live betting, unless there is a plus handicap and a goal is scored, you can bet on better odds after the time has elapsed in most cases. But I'm not selling a bargain here either, if I don't write down in 100 places that you have to bet within the foreseeable future and that there are live bets, then I won't write down in any place.
If you cannot react within a reasonable time in most cases, you are not a good value for money. Therefore, I should not be the one to blame, especially by saying so in advance. Anyone who wants to make money and does not work a schedule that works, should make a commitment to pick up the phone quickly for those few times a day when a bet is sent. Obviously it would be better to earn money without working at all and even responding during the hours, but the reality is what I have described. Please don't treat utopia or the most convenient eventuality as an expectation, because it's an unfulfillable story. If you are going to bet without regard to response time, please don't bet because you will not make a profit.
Gábor, the interviewer:
The point is that it's a bust, because if you miss the picks that are winning, you can lose a lot very quickly.S sentence in a video that you are 45 live out of 100, which is a lot of fucking, that is very risky, because if you bet immediately, the odds can fall quickly, not to mention if you are behind or a few minutes late, and by then the thing happens..., so it's summer for you, but it's kapufa for me..
My answer:
Here again, you are out of touch with reality. Above I explained how live betting is done and what it looks like in practice. It's not that drastic, believe me. 🙂 But anyway, there are times when a goal is scored quickly or the odds go in quickly - that's the exception and not the rule, at least for us - but you know, we just call it "cancelled", so we would have the option to declare it a winner, but we don't because the customers couldn't bet. For odds drop, it's the same thing, we either indicate what the odds are good and you can bet or we print out what the variance is and obviously it goes into our betting history with the variance.
But what you write is absolutely true for the majority of tipsters, just not for us, so you sent this to the wrong recipient, because we are consciously looking out for them.
Gábor, the interviewer:
I would like you to reflect on this, and not only that you have to pay attention.There are situations in life, obviously mainly because of work, that you can't bet immediately.The other thing is that you are also following tipsters.Yes, I have been in such a group, and many people advertise themselves as only taking x number of people.Yes, you do, but the one who gives you a tip, he does not only give it to you, but to who knows how many people, and needless to say, if many people put in a tip, it will quickly fall.
My answer:
We follow most of the live bets live and send out what to bet on when we think it's right based on our own experience. So it's one thing to have third party sources, but the majority of our "tips" are from our own customers, not from elsewhere. Of course there are some, mostly pre bets that others can get, but you know we don't follow the same policy as most sites: get something for free and send it on. We select our sources, we have the experience and they cost hundreds of euros. Not that many people pay that amount, lest you think, so it's still a very narrow range of people who have access. Our odds are stable, so our service is good, we pay attention to that, but if your benchmark is to bet 20-30 minutes later as you see the numbers on the picture, then value betting is not for you and I explained that above.
Gábor, the interviewer:
And it seems to be just a forward defence that if it drops 10%~ then don't bet.Because in a live bet, if there are a lot of bets, it will drop 10% in a moment, or it will be suspended because a goal is coming or whatever.So even if you look at everything positively, and believe that everything is as it is said and written, live bets are still very worrying.(Meanwhile I remembered that for two picks I didn't see what kind of event, basketball, soccer..,or it would help many people I think, if there was a date written, what day the event is for, because there was a tip I was looking for in the pron,but I couldn't find it, with the team name written in, because it wasn't on that day)
My answer:
I also reflected on these above. If by chance the odds on a bet drop that much, we are looking at it, so we are following our bets, not just posting them. The sport, date etc is completely irrelevant, believe me please. There is the team name, which if you type in correctly - as I showed in the video - you will find what you need. My goal is to get the customer the value bet as quickly as possible, I'm not going to spend minutes listing information that is completely unnecessary for the search. That would not be to the advantage of the client, but to their disadvantage.
Gábor, the interviewer:
Or if you don't bet what the odds are going down, then according to your statistics, you get x result and I get another.And since there are not only 56 (or 50 of them) hits, that means a lot for a two guess, sometimes everything is a plus.So I need a reassuring video, an answer.
My answer:
I hope that this lengthy response letter will be reassuring enough, but I could also do a video about it in the future, or a blog article, your concern about the tip sites is completely justified, I wouldn't really include us here. I do my best to let people know the truth and so far I have never cheated, never misrepresented and if I can get through 9 years of this, it might not be difficult in the future. 🙂
